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Nobody Else Asked. I Sat on the Folding Chair and He Told Me.

TL;DR: At seventeen I asked my grandfather about the war while the rest of the family avoided him. He told me, in pieces, across a few Christmas visits. Years later Alzheimer’s took both the stories and the man who could tell them. The window was narrower than anybody in that house realized.

I was seventeen, bored out of my mind, and desperate to disappear into theories about anything other than my family.

Christmas at my grandparents’ house meant Chariots of the Gods and Gods from Outer Space, read several times over during previous visits. Mysteries of vanished civilizations. Anything that wasn’t the room I was sitting in.

Christmas morning was quiet, everybody sleeping off the tensions of the night before.

The kitchen was the one place with no flying saucer magazines and no arguments in it, just the steady rhythm of somebody working. I found my grandfather already deep into dinner preparation, standing straight as an arrow while dicing onions for the stuffing. Every movement precise and practiced. Knives sharp, cutting board clean.

Why did Richard Lowe first ask his grandfather about his life?

Nothing noble. I was a teenager with nothing to do and he was the only person in the house not being difficult that morning.

I was a teenager with nothing to do and he was the only person in the house not being difficult that morning.
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Later, in the sitting room, the afternoon light came through the windows with dust drifting in it. He settled into his easy chair, worn brown leather that had molded to his frame. I took one of the metal folding chairs they kept stacked in the hall closet, the kind with vinyl padding that stuck to your legs. The physical discomfort seemed suitable somehow. I was the outsider here, the one asking for something. You want to know about the war, he said, glancing at me and making that familiar sucking sound through his teeth. It didn’t start with Pearl Harbor for me.

How did the stories come out?

In pieces, a few minutes at a time. A question would set one off, or one would come up out of a long silence while I sat there waiting for him to decide whether to go on.

He’d stop mid-sentence to make that noise with his teeth, straighten his already perfect posture, and then continue with some detail about Shanghai or Manila, places I’d never heard of. What followed would take me years to fully understand, and I didn’t understand most of it at the time.

That’s how this material always arrives. Nobody delivers a life in order. You get fragments across several sittings, and the shape is something you assemble much later, usually after they’re gone. I’ll take a hundred honest fragments over one tidy summary the family has agreed on, because the tidy version is the one with the hard parts already cut out.

What did the cooking mean?

It took several conversations to work out why he cooked with such fierce intensity. Why he always made too much food. Why he watched everybody’s plate to be sure they’d eaten enough.

The abundance of every meal was his quiet rebellion against memories he’d carried for forty years without talking about them. This man who couldn’t let anybody leave his table hungry had once been starved nearly to death for three years and four months.

Nobody else in that house had made the connection, and I only made it because I’d asked. The behavior was visible to everybody. The reason was available to whoever sat down.

Why did nobody else ask?

You get fragments across several sittings, and the shape is something you assemble much later, usually after they’re gone.

Because he was difficult, and the difficulty and the history were the same thing, and only one of them was on display. Other family members complained about his moods and avoided his presence. That’s not a criticism of them. He was hard work, and there was no obvious reason to think that a bad temper at Christmas was connected to something that had happened in the 1940s in a place none of them could name.

So the person with the most extraordinary account in the family was also the person everybody was working around, and those two facts kept each other in place for decades.

That arrangement was a mistake, and I see it plainly now. Families lose more of their history to politeness and avoidance than to fires or floods, and nobody notices the loss until the funeral, when the grandchildren realize none of them knows what he did in the war.

How narrow was the window?

Narrower than anybody realized at the time.

The conversations happened just in time. Years later, Alzheimer’s would steal both the stories and the man who could tell them. For those few Christmas visits when I was a teenager his mind was still sharp enough to trust me with everything that had shaped him, and then it wasn’t. There was no announcement that the window was closing. There never is. What there was, in the meantime, was a folding chair that stuck to my legs and a man who had been waiting a long time for somebody to be interested.

I see the same clock in my work now. Memoir clients in their nineties are fairly common for me, and I don’t plan anything with them on the assumption that there’ll be a later. If there’s somebody in your family who’s still sharp and still willing, the conversation you keep putting off belongs on this month’s calendar.

My take

Families lose more of their history to politeness than to fires. My grandfather had been waiting a long time for somebody to be interested, and I got his stories a few Christmases before Alzheimer’s took them. Nobody warns you the window is closing. If someone in your family is still sharp and willing, put that conversation on this month’s calendar. Bring a folding chair and let them talk.

How do you interview an elderly relative about their life?

Ask badly instead of not at all. I had no technique and no plan. I was seventeen and bored, and it was enough.

Sit through the silences. The pauses are where the difficult parts are being decided on, and filling them ends the story.

Record it, with their permission. Your memory isn’t up to this and you won’t realize that until much later.

Don’t wait for the right occasion. There’s not one. There’s a kitchen on a Tuesday and a person who’s willing today.

Notice that the difficult relative is often the one with the material. The moods people avoid are frequently attached to the thing nobody has asked about.

How to interview an elderly relative about their life
Tip What to do Why
Ask badly instead of not at all Start without technique or a plan A bored seventeen-year-old’s questions were enough
Sit through the silences Don’t fill the pauses Filling them ends the story
Expect fragments Collect pieces across several sittings Nobody delivers a life in order
Record it, with their permission Keep a recording of each conversation Your memory isn’t up to this
Don’t wait for the right occasion Talk on an ordinary day while they’re willing The window closes with no announcement
Approach the difficult relative Look past the moods people avoid The moods often attach to what nobody has asked about

He wrote a journal after he came home and it sat in the family for decades. That journal became a book, and the book became the reason I do this for a living. All of it started because a bored teenager took the uncomfortable chair.

The book on this: Behind the Wire is 22 chapters of my grandfather’s account of three years and four months as a prisoner of war, built from the journal he wrote once he got home. No names changed.

From the author
Behind the Wire by Richard Lowe

Behind the Wire
Behind the Wire is the book my grandfather’s stories became. It tells his true story as a prisoner of war, from the journal he wrote after the war, with no names changed.

Frequently Asked Questions

How do you get an older relative to talk about difficult history?
Ask, and then be willing to sit through the silences. In my experience the reluctance is usually about not being asked properly instead of about not wanting to tell. Most of these people have been waiting decades for somebody to be interested.
Why do families avoid the person with the stories?
Because the moods that come with that history are unpleasant to be around and nobody connects them to a cause. My grandfather was difficult, and the difficulty and the stories were the same thing, and only one of them was visible.
How long do you have to record a parent’s stories?
Less than you think. My grandfather’s mind was sharp for a few Christmases and then Alzheimer’s took both the stories and the man who could tell them. There’s no warning before that window closes.
Should you record family interviews?
Yes, with their agreement. Memory isn’t adequate to the job, and the details you fail to capture are exactly the ones that make the account worth reading later.
What if the stories only come in fragments?
That’s how they come. Pieces, sometimes prompted by a question, sometimes emerging out of a long silence. The shape is assembled afterward. Don’t wait for somebody to deliver it in order, because they won’t.

About the Author
Richard Lowe, professional ghostwriter

Richard Lowe is a professional ghostwriter and author with 113+ books authored and 54+ ghostwritten. Before writing full time he spent 33 years in enterprise technology, including 20 years as Director of Computer Operations and Technical Services at Trader Joe's. He writes nonfiction, fiction and memoir, and works with executives and experts on books that build authority.

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The views and opinions expressed in this blog post are solely those of Richard Lowe and are based on personal experience and research. This content is for informational purposes only and should not be construed as professional legal, financial, accounting, or business advice. Always consult with qualified professionals before making important business or legal decisions. Richard Lowe is not a lawyer, accountant, or licensed professional advisor, and this content does not establish any professional relationship.

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